I'm currently out of 5 port Lil Beast with 9/16x24 threads and caps for the 2 piece brakes. I have to work on a couple 10/22 barrels for birthday presents for my kids over the next day or so and then I will start making more caps for the 2 piece brakes. Then I'll work on the 6 port 7/8x20 Cheytac brakes and my older .865" ported 4 port brakes. After that I'll work on the .800" Super Baby Beast brakes. These will have the same port size as the Lil Beast so they will substitue for the 5 port Lil
I finished turning the titanium brakes finally. Here is a list of what I have in blanks:
45 .935" 5 port
80 1.01" 5 port 5/8x24
27 1.01 5 port 3/4x24
20 1.01" 4 port 3/4x24
41 1.01" 4 port 5/8x24
24 1.01" 3 port 3/4x24
38 1.01" 3 port 5/8x24
I might lose one or two along the way during the port machining and set up plus I have about 10 on order that I have to ship. I will do more .935" 3, 4, and 5 ports in a month or so when I catch up with some steel brakes in my turning center. I will also try to do the 2 piece .985" and .860" titanium brakes at that time. I did also make a couple 1.1" 6 port blanks for some of the people wanting to build light weight 375 Cheytac's . They should weigh in the 4.5-5oz range when fully machined. I'll have to run them to know the finish price but they will be quite a bit more than the smaller 5 ports based on the estimated run time.
Sorry for the delay in getting these done but it's been a bit of a struggle doing them in the mill compared to a turning center. My goal is always to maintain the lowest possible run out on my parts and because of how I have to machine them in the mill that proved to be extremely hard to do on this large of a scale. I used more turning inserts then I've used in the last 2 years to turn these 275 parts. I should have a better solution to that when I do the next run in the turning center. I will be milling the ports in these blanks for the next several days and will try to have at least a few of all the different ones done by later today or tomorrow since the fixture is the same for them.
I had some issues turning this last batch of titanium brakes in my mill but I finally got it figured out and have been turning the 5/8x24 brakes the last few days. I have the 3 ports left to turn and some smaller .935" 5 ports in 5/8x24 then I'll switch over to 3/4x24 brakes. I'll have about 240 titanium brakes in stock after I get them all run.
After this run of titanium I'm going to run the 7/8x20 6 port Super Beast brakes. Next on the list will be some of my older ported 4 port .865" brakes that I've been out of for a month or so. After that I'm going to run some of my normally stocked items. Then I'm going to slow a bit on production to work on my website and fluting. I will start on the nitrided 2 piece chromoly Beast and Big Beast brakes and the Super Baby Beast brakes after that.
I intend to run some titanium 2 piece brakes, more .935" OD 3, 4, and 5 port 1 piece brakes (all 5/8x24, and some .860" 3, 4, and 5 port titanium brakes as time permits.
I've decided to no longer turn down titanium brakes. I will taper them but turning the whole brake down is too time consuming. Without coolant on a manual lathe it rolls the material into the ports and makes it nearly impossible to remove. In the CNC it takes too long to set it up for one or two parts. A gunsmith with some time on his hands can still do it for you but it has been burning up too much of my time lately. I'm out of 5 port Ti Beast brakes at the moment. I will start making more tomorrow or Friday and should have more back in stock by mid next week. I will also do the 3/4x24 3 and 4 port when I do the 5 ports.
My stainless brake prices are going up starting tomorrow March 1st. The combination of increased shipping cost, increased material cost and increased tooling cost means it's time to raise prices. The 1 piece brakes up to the Beast brakes will be 85, 90, and 95 for the 3, 4, and 5 ports respectively. The 2 piece brakes will be 110, 115, and 120 for the 3, 4, and 5 ports. Those are shipped prices with credit card/Paypal fees included. The Super Beast 5 ports will be 115.00 and the 6 ports will be 130.00. If I have decent tool life through this run of titanium I won't raise the prices on them.
I have decided to make 2 piece titanium brakes coming up but it will be a month or more out before I can get to them. I will use 1" material and they will have a finished size around .985". That is about the largest muzzle diameter listed on Proofs website for carbon barrels so there is no reason to go to my more traditional 1.01" size.
I got 23 more 5 port blanks done. 6 are 3/4x24. I also did 8 3 port 5/8x24 blanks. I will turn them shortly. Then they get engraved and by tonight I should have ports in a few of them. 5 of the 5/8x24 5 ports are already spoken for and many other people have inquired so I don't suspect the 5 ports will last long. I just had to cut the blank making off so I could get some finished before I leave for vacation. If they all sell out by the time I get home from vacation I might run another batch before my turning center gets fixed but hopefully it's fixed within a few days of me getting home.
Well my turning center didn't like a hydraulic seal and spit it out a few days ago while I was running the titanium brakes. I got 36 4 port 5/8x24 blanks and 1 5 port blank made before that. I'm going to start making a small run in my mill today. I will make more 5 port blanks in 5/8x24 and probably some 3/4x24 5 ports if the 5/8x24 blanks go well. The 3 ports and 4 port 3/4x24 blanks will have to wait until I'm back from vacation and my turning center is fixed.
I did get the 4 port Mini Beast brakes done. I have them in 1/2x28 and 7/16x28 for the Kimber rifles. These are .670" OD and 2.67" long. The 1/2x28 brakes weight 2.3oz and the 7/16x28 brakes weigh 2.3oz.
I've had some delays with tooling, having to modify thing, and learning my new machine so the titanium brakes haven't happened yet. I will start running the blanks today and through the next week or so if everything goes good today. If I need different inserts the whole thing will be pushed back until Monday or later. At best I'll have some finished brakes by the end of next week. I was hoping for sooner but that is how it goes some times.
I had my busiest month ever in January too so that didn't leave me with the time I thought I'd have to work on titanium and other new items. Thank you all for the orders. One downer is I'm going to have to raise my prices. USPS just jumped my shipping prices as much as 50% and my steel prices have gone up about 30-40% over the last couple years along with tooling, etc. I put it off as long as I could. The titanium brakes will stay the same but the stainless brakes will go up.
I just got a large order of 4140 in to make 1 and 2 piece brakes already opened to caliber and nitrided. These probably wont see the light of day until March due to vacation and the titanium stuff but they are coming.
I will be on vacation with the family from 2/12 to 2/20. I will still have internet and can take orders but nothing ordered during that time will ship until after the 20th. I'm going to make a honest effort to finish my website ordering while on vacation but it is vacation and we have a lot planned so there are no guarantees.
Besides the nitrided 4140 and titanium brakes I will be working on .800" Super Baby Beast 1 piece brakes and Super Baby Beast 2 piece 1/2x28 brakes, the Mini Beast Kimber 7/16x28 brakes, the Mini Beast .670" 4 ports, the 7/8x20 6 port Super Beast, and possibly some pistol brakes. I might do some 5 port Baby Beast but with the Super Baby Beast brakes in 5 ports being so close in size (.800" versus .750") they will probably be on the back burner for a while. I've had people ask about brakes for pistols lately so I will look into it. If your interested let me know what thread sizes and calibers. I've also had people ask about 2 piece and smaller diameter titanium brakes. If this is something you'd like to see let me know. I know some people have asked about shotgun brakes in the past too. Once again if you want to see it give me some feedback.
I am out of my older ported .865" 4 port brakes at the moment but will try to make more of those as soon as I can. I have all the other brakes currently in production, except titanium, in stock.
I have the titanium in stock along with all the tooling. My turning center is getting leveled and dialed in on Monday and hopefully by the end of next week I'll have some brakes made. I also ordered the reamers, brass and dies to build a 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC to test muzzle brakes with. I should have about 6 new brakes to test the next time I run test. Most will be for the larger magnums but I do have a couple to run on the smaller calibers as well. I did run a 6.5 Creedmoor test before Christmas that I will get on YouTube and here as soon as possible.
Still slaving away but I did get the 6 port Super Beast done this last week. I also did a small handful of 3 port 3/4x24. I posted a picture on the 1 piece brakes page. The 3 and 6 ports are only available in 3/4x24 threads at the moment. As soon as I get time I'll do the 3 ports in 5/8x24 and the 6 ports in 7/8x20.
Sometime in January I'll get my 375 Cheytac Imp built and test the 6 port Super Beast against a Terminator T-5. I did do a 6.5 Creedmoor test with my brakes and a Precision Armament brake. I'll get that posted over the next couple days. I'm buying quite a few more brakes to test, a medium Pain Killer, a JE Custom Assassin, and a couple Northwest Precision brakes. I already have a Master Piece Arms 4 port self timed brake and a Precisiom Armament M4-72 brake that I have yet to test on the big stuff. When the weather cooperates I will do a big test with all the new ones plus mine, the T-3 and T-4 terminator, APA Little and Fat Bastard, 5 port Muscle Brake, Harrell's tactical brake, Area 419 4 port, and Patriot Valley Arms 4 port. I'm also going to do a multi caliber test so people can get a idea of what the recoil will be like with a brake on. I haven't changed the set up on my sled so far so people can relate the after brake recoil to another caliber without a brake. I will probably do a .223, 22-250, .243, 6.5 Creedmoor, 7RM, 28 Nosler, 30-06 and/or 300wsm, 300wm, 30 Nosler, and 338 Lapua.
I was hoping to be on the titanium brakes this week but the bar puller I ordered was back ordered and I wont have one until about the 24th and I won't have material until about then as well. I will be gone to Canada from the 26th until the 30th to visit my in-laws so I'll start into the Ti stuff the first week of Jan. If everything goes well I might have some done by the end of that week.
I'm currently working on some 6 port Super Beast brakes for the bigger calibers like 33XC, 37XC, and Cheytac's. I have blanks already made for 7/8x20 threads and I'm making the 3/4x24 blanks right now. I should have these done by mid week.
I finished the Baby Beast (.750") 5/8x24 3 and 4 ports. These are 1 piece brakes that can't be turned down (they can be tapered just not turned).
I've had a bunch of people wanting to buy smaller 2 piece brakes. Here is the deal....the 2 piece brakes have inside and OUTSIDE threads so they can't be made small like a 1 piece brake. You have to have enough metal between the 2 threads to not blow the brake apart. That means the diameter has to be bigger. The Lil Beast 2 piece brakes are ONLY available in 9/16x24 NOT 5/8x24. The Beast 2 piece brakes are ONLY available in 5/8x24.
I appologize for being slow to respond to emails as of late. I spent the last 10 days or so turning over 1200 brakes and 100+caps for the 2 piece brakes in addition to other work. It's a really crappy process that will go away when my turning center is operational. 1 to 2 1/2 minute run times with 30 seconds to 1 minute change over on each part. That amounted to 14-16+ hour days. I wanted to get it done so I could get to machining the ports and having finished brakes back on the shelf. As of today I will have everything but Super Beast brakes back in stock and I will have the Super Beast back in stock tomorrow or Saturday. In addition I will have some new ones done. Right now I have 3 and 4 port 1/2x28 Beast brakes in stock. Shortly I will have .750" 3 and 4 port Baby Beast brakes with 5/8x24 threads. Many people have been wanting these so I altered the design a bit to allow it to happen. They are .100" longer, 2.32" and 2.77", then the normal Baby Beast. In addition these and the 9/16x24 Versions of the Baby Beast will have a maxed out port size. Because the 9/16x24 Baby Beast brakes aren't designed to be turned down I'm maxing the port size out to the material size. This new port size is 19% taller than the normal size and will make the brakes more effective. The Lil Beast brakes ports are 31% taller than the Baby Beast and that is why I generally recommend those but this will close the gap on performance between the 2. BTW the 5/8x24 Baby Beast aren't designed to be turned down either. As time and the weather permits I will test the new max port version on my test sled. Also all of the 3/4x24 Beast brakes will have the same maxed out port size as the 2 piece brakes have. The 3/4x24 brakes aren't supposed to be turned down so it's performance will be better if it has the bigger port size. The max port version is 13% bigger because they aren't designed to be turned down to .900" like the 5/8x24 and 1/2x28 thread sizes.
I have blanks for 6 port Super Beast made in 7/8x20 and will make some 3/4x24 next week. I'm hoping to have the finished product by the end of next week. This will be designed for the 33XC, 37XC, and Cheytac calibers. The ports will lose efficiency on the smaller calibers due to their size. Another BTW I'm going to alter the ports on the 5 port Super Beast brake to perform better with the smaller magnums that most people are buying them for. The port size now was to try and make them work well for both the smaller magnums and the big stuff but now that the 6 ports are close to done I will make the 5 ports work better for the smaller magnums and leave the 6 ports for the bigger magnums.
There is no love for the titanium guys yet. I want to make them in my turning center rather than my mill and I have been working too many hours lately to wire up my turning center. The through spindle coolant will help with the drilling. I'm shooting for Xmas time but it might be the first part of Jan. before I actually get them done. It really depends on how long the material takes to get and freeing up the time to get my turning center running.
I have some other stuff in the works and hopefully close to completion.......4 port .670" Mini Beast in 1/2x28 and 7/16x28 (for those Kimber guys and gals). After these I will work on the Super Baby Beast. These will be .800" for the people that want the performance of the Lil Beast but in a smaller diameter brake. I do also have blanks to make some 1/2x28 and 9/16x24 Baby Slab Beast brakes. These will be .750" tall and geared towards the smaller sporter barrels. I only made these in 4 ports but the performance for the height will make them more like a 4 port Lil Beast.
Back to work I go. Hopefully a few less hours going forward. OH and another good thing.....after I get everything back in stock and finish the Super Beast brakes I will finally try to make the time to finish my shopping cart.
I finally have the 2 piece caps done but I'm limited on the 5 port 2 piece brakes until I have a chance to run more. I just ran out of 5 port Beast brakes last week but have piles of blanks made and will start turning them this weekend and should have more back in stock the beginning of next week. I'm also out of Super Beast brakes and will run more of those as soon as I get the 5 port 1 piece Beast, 5 port Lil Beast, and more of the 2 piece 5 port Beast brakes back in stock. I have some 6 port blanks made for the Super Beast brakes in 3/4x24 and 7/8x20 fo the Cheytac crowd and will do some testing if I ever get time to chamber my 375 Cheytac Imp. I should have my turning center up and running in about 2 weeks and that will speed up everything after that point. Hopefully I won't run out of parts again after I get it on line. BTW my initial run of Ti Beast brakes are gone but I will run more last December or early Jan. and they will be the larger 1.01" of my current Beast brakes.
I will be out hunting the following dates:
If we fill our tags early I won't be gone that many days. I'm currently caught up with orders so the ship times will be short when I'm in the shop.
I will have cell signal at times and will respond when I do.
I did get more 2 piece brakes made but have since run out of caps. I will get on those as soon as I can to get them back in stock. I'm also out of 5 port Lil Beast 5/8x24 brakes currently. I have blanks made and the next time I turn 5/8x24 brakes I'll make more.
I will be gone from the afternoon of 9/10 to mid day on 9/22 in AK. I will have intermittent cell service and will answer emails as I have time and service. Nothing will ship until I get back.
The good news is I have all of my 2 piece brakes back in stock in addition to my 4 port 1 piece Beast brakes.
More good news is I bought a Doosan turning center that will arrive tomorrow. It will take me a bit to get it up and running but once I do it will speed things up greatly. I have to make more 2 piece caps in it first but after that I will start making 4140 2 piece brakes and have them nitrided. That will mean I'll have around 450 black brakes in stock.
I'm completely out of 2 piece brakes now as well as 4 port Beast brakes. I'm in the middle of making blanks for all of the 2 piece brakes right now and have already made the blanks for the 1 piece. Once I get done with the blanks for the 2 piece brakes I will start turning them and machining the ports. It will be 2-3 weeks before they are back in stock. I've bought some 4140 to make 2 piece Beast brakes with and will have them nitrided afterwards so they are harder and black in color. I'm not sure when they will be done but it will be as soon as I can.
I will be gone to Alaska from 9/10 to 9/22. Nothing will ship during that time. I should have internet access from time to time and will respond when I do.
I ran 100 rounds of 300wm ammo through my 5 port titanium test brake and it made it through it unscathed. I have 2 of the 4 ports and 1 of the 5 ports already spoken for. So that leaves 3 of the 5 ports and 12 of the 4 ports left. The 4 ports are 145.00 shipped and the 5 ports are 155.00.
I honestly doubt the remainder will last a week with the amount of inquires I've had and the people that are waiting for them. If you want one I'd jump on it. It will probably be a month plus before I get more done.
I have finished machining the Ti Beast brakes and will try to torture test them Friday before I'll offer them for sale. The 4 ports weigh 2.1oz and the 5 ports weigh 2.5oz. If everything goes good I'll order more material and make the blanks along with my stainless Beast brakes over the next few weeks.
The birth of the Ti Beast
I'm playing with titanium this week and probably into next week a bit. I originally bought 15/16 material to test with and that should give me a finished product size of around .920". Since that time many people have asked for a larger diameter. I will order 1 1/8" material and run them the same OD as my current Beast brakes once I get the process semi dialed in. So far the tool wear is way more then my normal brakes, they machine slower, and the material is really expensive compared to stainless. That means they won't be cheap to manufacture. The way it looks right now they will probably be 140.00-150.00 for 4 and 5 ports respectively. I have 14 4 port blanks and 5 5 port blanks made right now. If they all make it through production I'll have them for sale as soon as I test the two I have set aside for testing. I'll order enough material for 250 or so more next week if the port milling goes reasonably well but I doubt I'll have them complete until mid-late July.
I only have 2 or 3 5 port 2 piece Beast brakes and 6 or so 4 ports left at the moment so I'll switch over to those once I get these few ti brakes done. That is why there will be a delay before I'll be able to get more ti brakes done. I try to run several hundred parts at a time to lessen change over and set up time but that means I'm running parts for several weeks to a month straight sometimes.
This is important info regarding opening my brakes to caliber:
When you bore my brakes with a boring bar or try to drill them with a drill you get quite a bit of tool deflection. The reason for this is the asymmetrical port design. I highly suggest using pin gauges to check through hole sizes. If the exit hole (the only square part your boring through) is .025" over caliber quite often the through bore size is .015" or less. This can potentially cause baffle strikes or accuracy issues. I personally don't care what the exit hole diameter is as long as a .025" oversize pin gauge goes through the brake without issue. Generally speaking you have to run .050" or more over bore size before the is any noticeable loss in performance and the initial loss is pretty minimal.
I made some caps yesterday for the 2 piece Lil Beast 9/16x24 brakes. Unlike my Beast 2 piece brakes I made these with the cap the same size as the brake, which is .875" OD. The back of the cap tapers to .800". There is additional info on the 2 piece brakes page.
I made a few M13x.75 4 port Baby Beast brakes with a max port size for those with Browning rifles. Now you Browning guys/girls have something available that is much more effective then the stock brakes. The ports are only .025" shorter then the Lil Beast brakes. These can't be turned down but they can be tapered. They won't be quite as effective as a Lil Beast but they have about 20% more surface area in the ports then normal Baby Beast brakes. I will probably make some of the 9/16x24, and soon to be made, 5/8x24 Baby Beast brakes the same way the next time I run them.
I'm low on stock of my 2 piece Beast brakes but will start making more in the first part of June. My material didn't show up on time so I change my machine over to run other parts. I have the 9/16x24 2 piece brakes done and will probably work on the caps this coming week.
I'm looking for a turning center right now to speed everything up. I was hoping to be much further along on new parts (especially the Ti Beast brakes and 1/2x28 2 piece brakes) by now. With school and things taking longer then I anticipated I'm not where I had hoped to be by now. Hopefully I'll have a turning center by the end of June. Once I get it up and running I'll work out the bolt fluting and get it rolling too.
May 1st 2018
I'm just starting to run the 5 port Beast brakes today and will have some of the 3 and 4 ports done tomorrow. Once these are back in stock I'll try to finish my shopping cart to show inventory.
March 22nd 2018
Right now phone calls are very difficult for me. I'm running my mill constantly trying to keep stock of everything and working on new stuff. I go to school 3 days a week at 7am and I'm usually working until midnight or later. Run times are as short as 30 seconds to about 5 minutes right now with other work in between that and it's loud in my shop. So it's much easier for me to email. If you haven't received a phone call from me you understand why. I'm also trying to stock up on product so I can spend some time this summer with my kids and to free up some time this fall for hunting.
I'm putting up some pictures of the 3 and 5 port brakes that I'm discontinuing and of my 3 versions of 4 port ported brakes.
March 21st 2018
I'm machining the ports for 5 port Lil Beast brakes in 1/2x28 and 9/16x24 today and tomorrow. So if your waiting to order one the wait is over. I also made over 100 each of 3 and 4 port 9/16x24 self timed brakes. The caps are still a few weeks out but it's getting close for those waiting on them. I'm currently out of 5 port Beast brakes and my older porter .750" brakes in 1/2x28 and 9/16x24. I will make them both next week to have them back in stock by about the end of the month/very beginning of April. I also made blanks for .750" 4 Baby Slab Beast brakes in 1/2x28 and 9/16x24 thread sizes. They will be a reality in the second half of April.
I will not ship orders between April 3rd and April 10th. My family will be on vacation. I will still take orders during that time and answer emails.
March 12th 2018
I loaded a couple new videos and will try to do some more testing tomorrow if it doesn't get too windy. I intend to test a 6.5 Creedmoor and 450 Bushmaster and will probably redo the 300wm and 338 Lapua videos from today with the 5 port Beast brake I forgot to take today.
FEB. 6th 2018
I made some of the 4 port Lil Slab Beast brakes last week. There are pictures on the 1 piece Beast brake page. I've ordered the tooling and gauges to do M13 x .75 threads in my Super Baby Beast brakes for those that have Browning rifles with those threads. It will still be a few weeks before I get it all but I should have some done either the end of this month or the start of next. Right now I'm running 4 port Lil Beast brakes and will run some 5 port 9/16x24 Lil Beast brakes next. Then, if I don't get low on stock of something, I'll machine the parts I need and write the programming to get the fluting going.
With some luck I should have my shopping cart done this week to ease ordering.
January 23rd 2018
I've been informed that some people aren't getting my emails. I've had this problem before with GoDaddy so I'll get rid of the contact form and just put my personal email back on the site for people to contact me until I get my company email and shopping cart finished. You can contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org . I'm sorry for those that haven't received a response. I generally respond within a day.
January 12th 2018
I added some more info on suitable brakes for caliber sizes to my Beast 1 piece page. The brake diameter and suitable thread sizes depend on your barrel diameter. I always try to run the largest thread size possible but that isn't always possible when you want a flush fitting brake.
January 6th 2018
I've added additional information and pricing on all of my brakes. I will add pictures shortly as well as a shopping cart over the next week or so to ease ordering. I will also add updates on this page as new products or services are added/updated.
I apologize for the delays in shipping some of you have experience lately. I've been trying to get as many products going as I can while on a break from school. I've also had some lathe issues that I hope to finally rectify soon. I would rather be slow to ship instead of sending out inferior products. Shortly you should see even better machining with large quantities in stock. My goal is to never be out of stock on any of my brakes.
We have several versions of 1 and 2 piece Beast series brakes as well as some of our older 4 port brakes.
Here is a list of what muzzle brakes we plan to add to production this year.
Here are all of our testing videos. It has all of our muzzle brakes along with several of my top competitors.
This is everything else we do or have in the works
I got started making my own muzzle brakes and building my own guns in 1992 when I bought my first lathe and a buddy bought a manual mill. Since that time I have done a few other jobs and had a couple other businesses. Just prior to doing muzzle brakes full time I built the first commercially available twin turbo kit for Duramax diesel pick ups in 2005 as well as kits for Dodge Cummins trucks. I also made many high HP triple turbo kits for several Duramax trucks making 1500+ HP. I started making and selling muzzle brakes while I was still doing diesel work. Guns has always been my passion so I gave up on the diesel performance world to push the envelope on muzzle brake performance.
I got started having others making brakes for me. I got tired of relying on others and missed deadlines so now most everything in made in house in a Haas CNC mill. Before long we will have a CNC turning center to share the load. My mill has a 4th axis and in the next couple weeks I will offer bolt fluting followed by barrel fluting and bolt handle threading.
Check back in the next few weeks and I'll run a month long special for bolt fluting. Most likely it will start Feb. 1st but it might be sooner then that. Initially I will set up for Remington 700's, Tikka T-3's, and possibly Savages.
My goal is to make the most effective muzzle brakes on the market at the best possible prices. I will always try to maintain stock of the brakes I carry. Now that most everything is done in house this goal is within reach. As you can see from my testing videos making the most effective brake on the market has been accomplished. Unlike some, I will keep testing and playing with designs to make them even better in the future. I've never been one to settle for second best.
I intend to add as many gun/reloading/shooting products and services as I can cram in my schedule. I'm always open to suggestions so drop me a line if there is something you would like to see made or made better.
I love hunting and I spend as much time as humanly possible hunting. I've built my own rifles since 1992 and have been into long range hunting and building wildcat cartridges for most of that time. The long range part started with rock chucks and later transitioned into big game. Back in the beginning we started with military Zeiss optical rangefinders (they were much harder to pack around then todays lazer rangefinders). I also like to dirt bike ride mountains trails, camp, back pack, and most water sports.